Welcome to the first "real" episode of the podcast, where we meet Alef Sterk and Henk van Waarde and talk to them about the transition from high school to university. In our discussion we get to know them and explore their experience in studying mathematics and their recommendations for newcoming students.

This episode features a very personal discussion that leads us to the myth of the mathematical genius and led us to talk about mathematics as a subject for everybody, where the personal effort and the courage to learn from making mistake are the key to success.

Episode links:

- Alef Sterk webpage: https://www.math.rug.nl/~alef/

- Henk van Waarde webpage: https://henkvanwaarde.github.io/

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Produced by Marcello Seri and Marit van Straaten

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Illustrations by Henrieke Krijgsheld

The podcast soundtrack is derived from the royalty free track Starving by OctoSound and used in agreement with pixabay license https://pixabay.com/music/funk-starving-170377

We are grateful to the Faculty of Science and Engineering, Univeristy of Groningen, for allowing us to use their podcast recording facilities