In the fifth episode of Outside the Box, Jermain travels to Wanstead Flats and his first ever club, Senrab FC, to look back on his career there and to discuss how he was first scouted by Charlton. He spends the evening coaching the youngsters through a number of drills, before discussing how much he learned from last week’s trip to Brighton and Hove Albion to meet Chief Executive Paul Barber and Technical Director David Weir. Defoe also concludes that he needs to begin to prepare a presentation so that should he be called for an interview, he’s able to talk from a position of knowledge about his style of play and management techniques.

He also discusses whether or not he would be interested in the vacant Oxford manager’s job after the incumbent, Karl Robinson, was sacked. And then he hooks up with the former ground commander of the SAS during the London terror attacks, Mark Billingham, to discuss leadership and leadership techniques. Together the pair break down what sort of skills Jermain will need if he’s to fulfil his dream of becoming a manager. And Mark tells him about how how some of his own life experiences in battle can help when it comes to leading a football club.