In Episode 3 of Outside the Box, Jermain travels to Derby County to meet the management team of Paul Warne, Richie Barker and Matt Hamshaw as he seeks to discover more about what it takes to be a manager, especially in the lower leagues. Leaning on Warne's experience as a player in the Football League - and his six seasons in charge of Rotherham United - he seeks an answer to the question about whether he's ready for a top job. He talks to First Team Coach Hamshaw about why he wants the role, how he feels he would like to play tactically should he become a manager, and why ex-pros like Steven Gerrard were always set to become managers. Then Jermain picks Warne's brain about the stresses of the position, about what he will need in a number two, how much an analysis and nutrition team will have to gel with him, and the importance of a coaching staff all being on the same page. Before he departs, Defoe finds out from Warne about the nuanced relationship between managers and chairmen, with Warne telling him that he needs to go and meet some chairmen to ask them what they're looking for. After Jermain heads home, Warne reflects on their afternoon together, concluding that whilst he believes Defoe will get a job, it's his belief that at the moment, he wouldn't be ready.