Anna Katharina Schaffner (The Exhaustion Coach) did her PhD studying exhaustion and burnout. What is burnout? What is exhaustion? Why is it so pervasive in our society and what can we do about it? Are there positive aspects to burnout or exhaustion? What’s next? Are we more exhausted than we’ve been before or is this more of a human condition?

The conversation is far ranging and goes deep. It seems the challenge with burnout is not just complicated it is truly complex and systemic and touches deeply into the relationship about how we relate to our work.

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