36 | How Did Consciousness Evolve? Did It? ~ Eva Jablonka

On Humans

14-02-2024 • 55 mins

We are conscious creatures. But why? Why did consciousness evolve? Can we use biology to explain the origins of feeling and meaning? Or will consciousness forever escape the grip of the scientific method?

Eva Jablonka has thought hard about these issues. An eminent evolutionary biologist, she became famous for her pioneering work on epigenetic inheritance. More recently, she has produced very original work on the evolution of consciousness with her colleague, neuroscientist Simona Ginsburg. So invited him on the show to discuss the evolution of consciousness, or what she beautifully calls "the sensitive soul".

In this episode, we discuss themes such as:

(03:00) What is consciousness?

(10:45) Four links between evolution and consciousness

(27:30) Are robots conscious? Consciousness and vulnerability

(30:45) Which animals are conscious? Consciousness and the Cambrian Explosion.

(34:30) Can science fully explain consciousness?

(48:00) The future of consciousness

As always, we end with Jablonka’s reflections on humanity.


LINKS

Want to support the show? Checkout Patreon.com/OnHumans

Want to read and not just listen? Get the newsletter on OnHumans.Substack.com


MENTIONS

Books: Evolution of the Sensitive Soul, Picturing the Mind (both my Eva Jablonka & Simona Ginsburg)

Terms: Sensitive soul, phenomenal consciousness, intentionality (i.e. "aboutness"), the Cambrian explosion, cephalopods, anthropods, vertebrates

Names: Aristotle, Simona Ginsburg, Jonathan Birch, Antonio Damasio



You Might Like

StarTalk Radio
StarTalk Radio
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Curious Cases
Curious Cases
BBC Radio 4
Science Weekly
Science Weekly
The Guardian
Farming Today
Farming Today
BBC Radio 4
The Naked Scientists Podcast
The Naked Scientists Podcast
The Naked Scientists
Paranormal Mysteries
Paranormal Mysteries
Nic Ryan Media | Unexplained Supernatural Stories
That UFO Podcast
That UFO Podcast
That UFO Podcast
Sasquatch Chronicles
Sasquatch Chronicles
Sasquatch Chronicles - Bigfoot Encounters
Hidden Brain
Hidden Brain
Hidden Brain, Shankar Vedantam
Radiolab
Radiolab
WNYC Studios
WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp
WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp
Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp
This Podcast Will Kill You
This Podcast Will Kill You
Exactly Right Media – the original true crime comedy network