Episode 13: Football in the UK and Germany - a joint passion

How do football fans in England and Germany perceive each other's top flights? Is the rivalry between England and Germany one-sided? As the Premier League and Bundesliga pause for the World Cup in Qatar, football journalists Raphael Honigstein (based in London for 'The Athletic') and Kit Holden (based in Berlin for the 'Tagesspiegel') have a wide-ranging chat about the different approaches to football in the UK and Germany and also discuss the controversy surrounding the Christmas World Cup.