An EF legend. Ming talks about trade-offs, especially related to motherhood and business, drive and creative intelligence.
The audio version of the podcast is here:
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You can se all about Ming in Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deming_Chen
Linkedin here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/therealmingchen
...and her, and her sisters books are here:
Sassparilla's New Shoes - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sassparillas-New-Shoes-Ming-Chen/dp/1880664267/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Sassparilla%27s+New+Shoes&qid=1634837005&sr=8-1

Ling Ling Looked In The Mirror - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ling-Looked-Mirror-Ming-Chen/dp/9889956527/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Ling+Ling+Looked+in+the+Mirror&qid=1634837037&sr=8-1

Escape: One Day We Had to Run - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Escape-One-Day-Had-Run/dp/1911373811/ref=sr_1_1?crid=VYJ47FL7S2DA&dchild=1&keywords=escape+one+day+we+had+to+run&qid=1634837127&sprefix=escape+one+day+we+%2Caps%2C188&sr=8-1 - https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/ming/escape-ming/

Time-stamps:
@02:00 Ming Introduces herself (audio quality not great)
@04:21 Ming talks about her professional life (audio quality fixed)
@06:50 Ming shares her thoughts about 'Winning'
@09:00 Trade-offs - especially work-life balance and motherhood
@13:45 Drive - Ming's version of ambition and hunger
@16:00 Creative intelligence
@19:50 What problem are you trying to solve