The SAF Podcast

After a potentially too long break to end 2024. The SAF Podcast is back in 2025, a year set to have significant importance for the burgeoning SAF industry.For our first episode Oscar sits down with Philip Fjeld from Refuels. As the UK and EU SAF mandates take effect in 2025, Fjeld shares valuable perspectives from his decade of experience in the biomethane industry and his role at the Renewable Transport Fuel Association (RTFA).  The discussion delves into crucial market dynamics, examining how feedstock competition between SAF and biodiesel production could impact both sectors. Fjeld provides expert analysis on the challenges facing the industry in 2025, including the recovery from recent market disruptions caused by allegedly fraudulent feedstocks from Asia. He offers compelling insights into the differences between biomethane and waste oil feedstock availability. The episode also explores critical policy mechanisms, comparing the established Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation (RTFO) with the new SAF mandate. Fjeld discusses potential challenges with the HEFA cap implementation from 2027 onwards and draws important lessons from the development fuel mandate experience in road transport. This episode is essential listening for SAF industry professionals seeking to understand the broader implications of transport decarbonization policies and their impact on feedstock markets. A considerable amount of thinking in decarbonisation is siloed and this episode finishes highlighting the importance of  inter-sector collaboration to decarbonize transport. We discuss the intricate balance required between road transport policies and SAF mandates, highlighting the potential competition for vital feedstocks. Fjeld shares his vision for a diversified approach, advocating for aggressive blending mandates in the UK and a holistic view of alternative fuels' roles in maritime transport. You can check out this full discussion on all the usual platforms and on our website: https://www.safinvestor.com/the-saf-podcast/

In our latest episode we chat with Kathy Wight, Vice President for Net Zero Solutions at World Energy, and how they are leading the charge in decarbonizing business travel and freight. Kathy takes us from her roots in the NGO sphere to her pivotal role in driving practical sustainability solutions, sharing insights from her experience with the Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) and the innovative strides in sustainable fuels like SAF (Sustainable Aviation Fuel) and renewable diesel. We find out why she transitioned to the business side to actively work on developing practical solutions to decarbonise aviation.We venture into the complex landscape of Sustainable Aviation Fuel certificates, dissecting the intricacies of environmental attribute certificates, and the book and claim system. Kathy helps clarify these often-confusing terms, shedding light on how these mechanisms play a vital role in reducing emissions across industry value chains. We discuss the importance of transparency and the potential for a universal taxonomy to simplify the process for newcomers, ensuring accurate carbon intensity scores and fostering broader engagement in the SAF arena.Additionally, Kathy explains how long-term contracts with corporations act as “market makers” for SAF, signalling durable demand and unlocking capital to scale up production facilities. For industry newcomers and veterans alike, Kathy’s insights offer a deep understanding of how SAF certificates and partnerships are accelerating sustainable change in aviation.  She emphasizes the importance of taking action now, rather than waiting for the perfect system to emerge.  Check out our last episode with C.R Sincock, Avfuel, where we look at the development of the SAF supply chain: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16057604

Join us this week on The SAF Podcast, as we dive deep into the logistics and distribution challenges of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) with CR Sincock from Avfuel, one of the largest global aviation fuel suppliers. As a leading distributor of SAF in business aviation, Avfuel offers unique insights into scaling SAF delivery across the United States.In this episode, Sincock discusses Avfuel's strategic partnership with Neste, the world's largest SAF producer, and reveals their exciting new role as a launch customer for Valero Diamond Green in Florida. This expansion marks a significant step in addressing the East Coast's underserved SAF market. He discusses how this collaboration addresses logistical challenges in transporting SAF beyond coastal regions, opening pathways to major hubs and underserved markets. CR provides insights into the challenges of moving physical SAF molecules and the current locations where Avfuel offers SAF. He also touches on the unique case of Truckee Tahoe airport, which operates on 100% SAF, highlighting the importance of local environmental consciousness in driving SAF adoption. The conversation covers crucial topics, such as the company's advanced book-and-claim system, designed to streamline SAF adoption by enabling customers to claim carbon reductions without physical fuel movement. They also discuss Avfuel Zero, a comprehensive sustainability consultancy helping aviation clients navigate offsets, emissions assessments, and compliance without requiring an in-house sustainability team. We explore the vital role of corporate responsibility in driving the adoption of SAF, especially among business and general aviation stakeholders. Discover how larg operators serving corporate clients are leading the charge, motivated by public scrutiny and the need to demonstrate proactive environmental stewardship. For industry professionals interested in SAF distribution, supply chain optimization, and the complexities of SAF blending to meet ASTM specifications, this episode offers essential insights into the current state and future development of SAF infrastructure in North America and beyond.If you enjoyed this episode, check out our other discussion with Mac Irvine from Jet Zero Australia, as we dive into the SAF production landscape down under: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/16017375 SAF Investor London - January 2025SAF Investor London will be back in London in January 2025 and will bring leading producers, investors, customers and policy makers together to discuss the major issues around scaling SAF production globally.We would love to see as many of you there as possible and you can find out more information, including book your tickets here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/145508/saf-investor-london-2025/

In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we dive deep into Australia's emerging sustainable aviation fuel landscape with Mac Irvine, CFO of Jet Zero Australia. With 15 years of banking and finance expertise, including his role at the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC), Irvine offers unique insights into Australia's SAF development landscape.  The discussion explores Jet Zero Australia's two flagship projects: Project Ulysses, an alcohol-to-jet facility in Townsville utilizing LanzaJet technology, and Project Mandala, a HEFA pathway development in partnership with Apeiron Bioenergy.Our conversation moves into the strategic alliances that fuel Jet Zero's mission, including a key partnership with Idemitsu and the pursuit of innovative financial avenues such as SAF certificates for carbon abatement. With $14 million in grant funding already secured, Mac explains how Jet Zero is engaging with entities like the CEFC and the National Reconstruction Fund to explore flexible capital options. Key industry insights include Australia's position as the eighth-largest global jet fuel consumer, with 90% of current fuel being imported. The episode provides valuable insights into the nascent SAF market in Australia, including the current lack of specific SAF policies and the challenges this presents for developers. However, Mac also outlines the positive momentum, such as the federal government's Future Made in Australia program and its potential impact on the industry.If you enjoyed this episode, check out our previous discussion with Sophie Byron, S&P Global Commodity Insights to find out about the complexity and importance of accurate SAF pricing data: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15975107SAF Investor London - January 2025SAF Investor London will be back in London in January 2025 and will bring leading producers, investors, customers and policy makers together to discuss the major issues around scaling SAF production globally. We would love to see as many of you there as possible and you can find out more information, including book your tickets here: https://www.safinvestor.com/event/145508/saf-investor-london-2025/

On this week’s episode of the SAF Podcast Sophie Byron, Global Head Biofuels Pricing, S&P Global Commodity Insights joins Oscar for a discussion around SAF pricing.Tracking SAF prices is not as simple as traditional jet fuel. In a nascent market with complex supply chain and production pathways, getting accurate pricing data is no easy feat. Sophie explains this complexity and the challenge addressing issues across fluctuating feedstock pricing, production costs and limited transactions on the spot market and how they work around these to assess accurate prices. Another critical issue is how to approach pricing SAF from different pathways and feedstocks, Sophie explains how they are looking to approach pricing from Alcohol-to-Jet and eventually Power-to-Liquid production, in the near term as well as the current HEFA pathway.Pricing is a critical issue to help grow SAF production as it is critical to help attract investment. Investors and lenders need certainty in revenue and, along with offtakes, certainty in SAF prices is critical to de-risk future projects. We also discuss the correlation of emissions reduction and Carbon Intensity scores and pricing as SAF’s value can be tied to the emissions reductions. We also look at how factors such as anti dumping duties, tax incentives in the US and the introduction of mandates in 2025 could effect pricing formulations. The discussion concludes with a reflection on transparency and how important access to data is to get the clearest pricing picture possible. Check out this episode if you are interested in how SAF pricing works, the challenges it presents and critically why pricing is such an important component in growing the SAF Industry.If you enjoyed this episode, check out our most recent discussion with Andrew Symes, OXCCU here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15895179

In this episode of the SAF Podcast, Andrew Symes, Founder & CEO, OXCCU joins Oscar to dive into the cutting-edge world of e-fuels. A chemistry graduate turned venture capitalist who transitioned to leading a pioneering carbon capture utilization company, Symes discusses OXCCU's groundbreaking catalyst technology that simplifies the conversion of CO2 and hydrogen directly into hydrocarbons.The conversation explores OXCCU's recent milestone: their OX1 demonstration plant, which marks a crucial step in de-risking their innovative single-step conversion process. Symes details how their technology could significantly reduce the CAPEX and OPEX of e-fuel production, potentially solving the cost barrier that currently limits power-to-liquids scaling.Industry experts will appreciate the technical discussion on reactor specifications, catalyst performance at scale, and the strategic approach to future developments, including the planned OX2 facility. The episode also addresses critical sector challenges, including grid electricity demands, the importance of first-of-a-kind facilities in climate tech, and the role of university research in breakthrough innovations.Symes offers valuable insights on the business model evolution from technology development to licensing, and provides a nuanced perspective on UK and EU SAF mandates. The conversation concludes with a pragmatic discussion on offtake agreements and the critical timeline challenges facing the industry as it approaches the 2030 mandate deadlines.If you enjoyed this episode check out our previous episode with Berta Cabello and Carlos Suarez, Repsol to find out about why Spain is such an important market for SAF production: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15861484

The Iberian Peninsula's emergence as a SAF production hub isn't coincidental. The region boasts abundant feedstock availability, strong agricultural and livestock sectors, ample renewable energy resources, and a robust refining and petrochemical industry. This combination of factors, along with existing market demand, has created an ideal environment for renewable fuel production. Berta Cabello and Carlos Suarez join us on the podcast from Repsol this week. These industry leaders provide a deep dive into Repsol's ambitious renewable fuel initiatives, including their refinery in Cartagena and the e-fuel plant planned in Bilbao. This episode offers a glimpse at why Spain and Portugal are becoming powerhouses in the SAF industry, backed by abundant resources and expert industrial capacity. This episode delves into the vital collaboration between producers, airlines, and airports in scaling SAF adoption, while offering insights into overcoming feedstock challenges and maintaining the integrity of renewable fuel supply chains. We also unravel the strategic dynamics of the renewable fuels market, revealing how Spain positions itself uniquely by leveraging less competition and flexible production capabilities. Berta and Carlos highlight the crucial role of institutional support and regulatory frameworks in sustaining global competitiveness. Our discussion underscores the importance of demand-driven projects to meet Repsol's goal of net-zero emissions by 2050, emphasizing the necessity for investment in low-carbon and circular products.The foundation of Repsol's strategy lies in their flexible approach to renewable fuel production. Rather than focusing solely on SAF, they're balancing production across aviation, marine, and road transport sectors. This flexibility aims to allow them to adapt to market demands while maximizing the use of byproducts from the production process.Looking ahead, Repsol appears well-prepared for the initial 2% SAF mandate under RefuelEU. However, they acknowledge the challenges in scaling up to meet the 6% target by 2030, particularly regarding the e-SAF sub-mandate. The company emphasizes the importance of feedstock sustainability and transparency, implementing strict auditing and certification processes to ensure the integrity of their supply chain.If you enjoyed this episode, make sure to check out our most recent discussion with Dan Keibrich, Squake via the link: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15812552

In this episode of the SAF Podcast, Oscar dives deep into the world of sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) and broader decarbonization efforts with Dan Kreibich, co-founder of Squake. Dan shares his journey from Lufthansa Innovation Hub, where he pioneered SAF offerings for passengers, to founding Squake, a platform making SAF and other compensation projects accessible in booking flows.Squake's innovative approach enables airlines, travel companies, and corporations to integrate SAF purchases seamlessly, from ancillaries to bulk orders. Dan discusses partnerships with industry giants like Lufthansa, Airbnb, and CWT, highlighting the growing demand for sustainable travel options.The conversation explores the broader context of transportation decarbonization, comparing SAF to other sustainable fuels in marine and ground transport. Dan provides insights into the economic drivers behind sustainable fuel adoption and the impact of regulations like CSRD and EU ETS.We also delve into Squake's diverse portfolio of decarbonization projects, including CO2 removal and reforestation, and the criteria for selecting these initiatives. Dan emphasizes the importance of coupling decarbonization efforts with financial responsibility and discusses the hierarchy of carbon reduction solutions.The episode concludes with a frank discussion on the challenges facing SAF adoption, including regulatory hurdles and industry uncertainty, while emphasizing SAF's potential as a "silver bullet" for aviation sustainability. If you enjoyed this discussion, check out our last episode with Roberto Gonzalez, EBRD: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/episodes/15693248

In this episode of The SAF Podcast, we sit down with Roberto Gonzalez from the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) to explore the complexities of financing Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) projects. Roberto takes us through his personal journey from chemical engineering and oil refining to his pivotal role in the EBRD's energy transition team. We discuss EBRD's ambitious goals of achieving over 50% green investments and ensuring alignment with the Paris Agreement, while also exploring the unique challenges and opportunities in making SAF projects attractive to investors.Roberto offers unique insights into the bankability of SAF across different regions, particularly in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, and Northern Africa. We delve into the critical factors that make SAF projects viable, such as feedstock supply, market demand, and technology risks. We also discuss the tools available to help spread the risk in new projects through the financial tools EBRD uses to support these projects, including first-loss guarantees, concessional debt, and technical assistance.Additionally, we discuss the role of mandates, subsidies, and the aviation sector's willingness to adopt greener fuel sources despite higher costs. This episode offers valuable insights into the pivotal role of SAF in decarbonizing aviation and the financial innovations driving its adoption.If you enjoyed this episode, make sure that you check out our previous episode with Binyam Reja, World Bank to hear about the opportunity and challenges of building SAF capacity in emerging markets: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15581228Host: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

In this episode, Oscar had the pleasure of speaking with Binyam Raja, Global Practice Manager for Transport, World Bank.The conversation focused on a crucial aspect of the SAF industry: promoting production in non-OECD countries and expanding the global network of SAF production. Binyam shared valuable insights on the World Bank's efforts to support developing economies in participating in the SAF value chain, highlighting the economic and environmental benefits this could bring.We explored several key topics, including:The World Bank's role in conducting feasibility studies and techno-economic analyses in countries like Kenya, South Africa, Nigeria, and Ethiopia.The World Bank's efforts to integrate the climate agenda into developing countries' transport sectorsThe importance of blended finance and risk-sharing mechanisms to attract private investment.Regional approaches to aggregating demand and harmonizing policies.The potential for SAF production to contribute to rural development and sustainable agriculture (including the potential of cacti as a feedstock in the Arid Sahel region) Balancing SAF production with food security concernsPotential for SAF to improve agricultural productivity and contribute to reforestation effortsBinyam also discussed the World Bank's efforts to create partnerships between various stakeholders, including governments, private sector entities, and other multilateral development banks, to accelerate SAF adoption in developing countries. This episode offers a comprehensive look at the global potential for SAF production and the steps being taken to make it a reality in emerging markets. If you are interested in risk mitigation strategies in Non-OECD countries, the importance of demand aggregation and how SAF can be a regenerative source for both the land and emerging economies. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you check out our previous one with Frank Schreurs, GAFT: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15507196

In this episode of the SAF Podcast, Oscar chats with Frank Schreurs, co-founder of GAFT, about the innovative approaches his company is taking to revolutionize sustainable aviation fuel (SAF). Joining us from his holiday in Sweden, Frank provides a detailed look into GAFT's mission and the challenges the aviation fuel industry faces.Frank's career spans over two decades in the energy sector, including significant experience in oil trading, M&A, and biodiesel production. This rich background set the stage for his entrepreneurial journey into sustainable fuels. GAFT, originally a CO2 utilization company, evolved into a pioneering firm addressing the critical issue of feedstock shortages for SAF production. Frank explains how GAFT utilizes second-generation sugars, crude glycerin, and advanced electrolysis processes to create local, sustainable feedstocks from CO2 and electricity turning them into valuable lipid feedstocks for HEFA SAF production.Frank explains GAFT's strategy to license their technology to Biofuel producers so they can upscale their crude glycerin bi-product, whilst also pursuing their own first of a kind facility to produce their lipid feedstock.A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the challenges of securing reliable and sustainable feedstock supplies. With Europe importing a majority of its used cooking oil from Asia, Frank highlights the inherent issues of dependence on external sources and potential sustainability fraud. GAFT's innovative technology aims to mitigate these risks by producing feedstocks locally, ensuring a more stable and transparent supply chain and producing feedstock that can be put straight into existing refining infrastructure.Frank also shares insights into the investment landscape, acknowledging the hurdles but expressing optimism due to strategic interest from both financial and technology sectors. They have so far been backed by the EIC and are currently working on the series A which can find the FOAK facility and expand the team.This episode is a must-listen for those concerned about the Used Cooking Oil importation situation and this could provide another solution to scaling the HEFA pathway and de-coupling it from Asian feedstock importation.If you enjoyed this episode, catch our recent discussion with Mukund Karanjikar, CleanJoule: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15427620

On this week's episode Mukund Karanjikar, CEO, CleanJoule joins Oscar on The SAF Podcast to discuss their approach to accessing biomass to create sustainable aviation fuel. Listen in to hear Mukund's thoughts on the debate around the availability of waste biomass as a feedstock to accommodate demand levels and the importance of Carbon Intensity (CI) scores. We also look at the role that government grants have had in helping CleanJoule get to their current stage, since their founding in 2009. Mukund highlights how critical these grants are, highlighting the example of Tesla and other start ups that rely on government funding. We also look at the signals of long term certainty and how the current form of the Inflation Reduction Act could do more in financial support for producers, potentially looking at aligning with oil prices to truly unlock SAF production, rather than the maximum $1.75 currently available. We also discuss how targets like the SAF Grand Challenge and mandates align with financial incentives to to give longer term certainty to investors, and what we can expect to see in 2027 when the current tax incentives expire. We end the discussion by looking at the private consortium that invested in them including three airlines (Frontier, Wizz Air and Volaris) and two decarbonisation investment funds (GenZero and Cleanhill Partners). This is an optimistic tale of airlines engaging in securing their decarbonised future and poses the inevitable question of should/could they be doing more? This is a fantastic discussion, but if you want to hear about another key industry in developing the SAF market, listen to our recent episode with Sven Rieve, Air bp: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15390671Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week on the SAF Podcast,  SAF Investor Editor Fayaz Hussain has a conversation with Sven Rieve, Airbp's sustainability advisor. Rieve dives deep into Airbp's strategy for conquering the skies with sustainable aviation fuel (SAF).We explore their current production footprint, the diverse feedstocks used, and the markets they're targeting.The discussion takes off with Airbp's commitment to increasing SAF production capacity in key regions like Europe, the UK, and the US. Rieve sheds light on Airbp's preference for co-processing as a production method and explains why they're keeping a watchful eye on emerging pathways for future investment.The conversation then steers towards regulations. Rieve offers Airbp's perspective on the Renewable Energy Directive and the crucial role of feedstocks within the European regulatory framework. He proposes a compelling solution – a focus on cultivating cover crops – to address Europe's growing need for SAF feedstocks.We wrap up by exploring the contrasting regulatory landscapes across the UK, US, and Europe. Rieve analyzes how these differences will shape the future trajectory of SAF supply and demand, offering valuable insights for industry stakeholders. If you enjoyed this episode, catch our recent discussion with Jonathan Yeo, FlyORO about blending SAF and the supply chain challenges: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15360818Host: Fayaz Hussain, SAF InvestorProducer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week on The SAF Podcast, Jonathan Yeo, CEO, FlyORO joins Oscar to discuss the operational and supply chain logistic challenges that SAF presents. One of SAF's many benefits is its drop in nature, and ability to work within existing infrastructure. However, currently it still needs to be blended with kerosene. This is not as simple as someone mixing the two together with a large whisk. As Jonathan explains, the precision required to blend SAF and Kerosene to meet certification standards is significant and the requirement to blend according to market demand requires flexibility not currently found in airport infrastructure. Jonathan explains that their Alphalite modular system designed to optimise blend efficiencies, making SAF more accessible for both business and commercial aviation. Almost akin to a Nespresso coffee machine (other brands are available), blending the perfect amount of water and coffee. We also look at how a modular solution can deal with the inevitable ramp up in SAF production to service the expected growth in demand. We then dive into FlyORO's finances and discuss the pre-Series A funding they received earlier this year and plans for further rounds in early 2025. Jonathan also highlights why they are targeting strategic investors and the benefits they bring. The episode ends with their expansion plans in Australia and the US and why they are two markets that are particularly attractive and the role of Book and Claim in helping scale SAF whilst there is a continued paucity of physical molecules. If you enjoyed this episode, check out our most recent episode with Tom Berg, SkyNRG where we discuss their recent SAF Market Outlook report: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15275823Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

Join us in this week's episode of The SAF Podcast as we welcome back SkyNRG as Tom Berg unpacks their latest Market Outlook report.Tom shares the reason why they produce these reports, the meticulous methodology behind their report, which filtered 350 renewable fuel facilities down to 210. We dive into the major themes that appear from the report: Global policy developments and how important it is they develop into regulatory frameworks and the implication on global production opportunities, the competition for feedstock for Used Cooking Oil (UCO) and Renewable Diesel producers and whether delays in expected ramp ups should be concerning.With the report being in it's fourth year, we ask Tom what they are now able to analyse that they were not previously and what can be learnt about market developments by mapping their predictions from previous editions.  We also discuss the regional implications on policy certainty and how trade corridors can be seen to be opening, aligning with policy criteria and feedstock requirements. Tom also tells us what regions he thinks are ones to watch, which region he wants to hear more from.We can't wait to have this conversation next year to discuss the findings and market development in 2025. You should check out the full report here, well worth a read: https://skynrg.com/skynrg-releases-sustainable-aviation-fuel-market-outlook-2024/If you enjoyed this check out our last episode with Dani Charles, Veriflux where we discuss US tax incentives and the requirements of accurate record keeping in biofuels and SAF: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15236511Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week, we sit down with Dani Charles, Veriflux, who talks through his fascinating journey from government tech to co-founding a pioneering company in the renewable feedstock industry. Dani reveals how Veriflux, since its inception in 2020, has grown to support over 350 companies worldwide by revolutionizing the tracking of used cooking oil and other feedstocks. His insights underscore the critical importance of accurate record-keeping for regulatory compliance and market differentiation, especially in distinguishing renewable fuels like Hydrotreated Vegetable Oil (HVO) and Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF).Ever wondered how US environmental policies and incentives come to life? Join us as we unpack the intricate legislative process including the Department of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Transport, Treasury and Securities and Exchange Comission. Through detailed examples like the renewable fuel standard and the Inflation Reduction Act, we shed light on the complex and often collaborative efforts required to enforce these regulations. We also examine the challenges stakeholders face with incentives such as Renewable Identification Numbers (RINs) and Low Carbon Fuel Standard (LCFS) credits, emphasizing the complications that arise from varying guidelines.As eco-fuel production gains momentum, what hurdles do new entrants face? We delve into the implications of the Inflation Reduction Act credits expiring in 2027 and how this impacts the renewable energy industry. We discuss the benefits that incumbents hold over newcomers and the role state-level tax credits play in promoting local production. We also explore the updates to the IRA to include Argonne National Laboratory's GREET model and the transition from 40B to 45Z at the end of the year and what this means in practice. Additionally, we explore the transformative power of digitizing supply chains for sustainability, highlighting the necessity of robust data management to support ESG and net zero goals. Tune in to understand how comprehensive data collection not only substantiates environmental claims but also drives the future of renewable energy and sustainable aviation fuel.If you enjoyed this episode, check out our recent episode with Vianney Vales, Wastefront here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15196527Host & Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

What if getting your tyres replaced on your car not only protected you on the road, but also helped save the planet? Currently 50 million end of life tyres are generated annually in the UK and 80% of them are exported to the EU to be burnt. What if a sustainable solution could help dispose of them but also not need for them to be exported overseas.This week Vianney Vales, Wastefront joins Oscar on The SAF Podcast as we uncover the revolutionary process of transforming end-of-life tires into sustainable aviation fuel (SAF). Vianney, with his extensive background in the oil and gas, biofuels and project management sectors shares his journey towards innovative biofuels and climate solutions, shedding light on Wastefront's groundbreaking approach. We explore the dual-step process of converting waste tires into pyrolysis oil and then into SAF, delving into the significant environmental benefits and the advancements at their first industrial facility in Sunderland, UK. Embarking on the journey of developing large-scale industrial projects in the UK is no small feat and on that many companies are currently tackling. Vianney provides a comprehensive walkthrough of the essential stages, from securing permits to finalizing supply chains and preparing for construction. Highlighting the project in Sunderland, he discusses first why they chose Sunderland as their first site, the hurdles and triumphs of funding such innovative ventures in Europe compared to the US. The conversation underscores the importance of early-stage funding, revealing the strategic steps that helped Wastefront de-risk and validate their project, and the ongoing capital raise efforts to secure strategic partners for the next construction phase.Investment in pyrolysis projects presents a compelling proposition, offering both immediate profitability and long-term growth potential. Vianney outlines the strategies for attracting investors, balancing risk and reward, and the importance of clear communication. We delve into the challenges of creating scalable and profitable pyrolysis projects, the interplay between government mandates and private sector risk tolerance, and the UK's positive trajectory with its SAF mandate.Vianney also suggests locations they are looking at for their next facilities and we discuss why a well known city called Springfield could be an excellent candidate. If you enjoyed this discussion about finding use from waste, check out our previous episode with James Hygate, Firefly Green Fuels, who is working on making SAF from sewage: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14092944Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week Maurits van Tol, CEO Catalyst Technologies, Johnson Matthey joins Oscar on The SAF Podcast.Hot on the heels of the announcement that their FT Cans technology, developed with bp. will be used for DG Fuels' $4bn St John's Parish, Louisiana facility. Billed as being the largest Fischer Tropsch facility in the world with a capacity of 300,000 metric tonnes per year. We discuss the development of the CANS technology alongside bp, where it fits in in the process and the challenges of working on a project of this scale. We touch on whether the SAF industry needs more ambitious projects of this size to meet targets or if smaller modular facilities is the way to go for faster project development. Oil and Gas is never far away in a SAF conversation so Maurits shares his thoughts on their ongoing role in growing production and decarbonising quickly. We also discuss the Virgin Atlantic transatlantic 100% SAF flight in November last year and the role Johnson Matthey had in making that happen and the importance of flights like this in bringing the work being done in aviation to decarbonise the industry. We conclude with the far-reaching impact of life cycle assessments on decision-making in this sector, emphasizing that informed choices are imperative for the sustainable growth of the aviation fuel landscape. Join us for this deep exploration into the intersection of technology, sustainability, and the future of aviation fuels. This is a great conversation with a leader in SAF technology development and licensing, so don't miss out on Maurits excellent insight. If you enjoyed this episode check out our previous episode with Jose Fernandes, Honeywell that focuses on the Latin American market from another leader in the licensing space: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/15072192Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

This week The SAF Podcast ventures to the land of salsa dancing, ethanol production, rainforests and the Andes as Oscar is delighted to be joined to Jose Fernandes, President - Latin America, Honeywell. Jose explains to us the different verticals Honeywell operates in, especially Honeywell UOP and their SAF technology licensing business, and how they are working to their target of reaching net zero operations by 2035. We discuss the projects they are currently involved in in the Latin America region alongside biofuel producer and Oil and Gas giant, Petrobras. We also dive into what makes Latin America such a great place to produce SAF, with a rich agricultural landscape generating an abundance of potential feedstock and already mature HVO and Ethanol markets to use as a platform. With strong ties to the US and other international investment markets, Jose is confident that alongside the available domestic investment and incoming policy certainty that is currently being finalised, the financial and policy landscape are fast making Latin America an attractive proposition for SAF production. We also touch on the role of Oil and Gas and the critical relationship between licensors and Oil & Gas to drive global production. We also discuss Honeywell's recently announced Unicracking technology working with Biomass and how they can claim for it to have a 3-5% higher yield whilst also reducing costs. This is a great insight into a world leading SAF technology licensor who are at the heart of global production with 50 licenses sold and an expert insight into why Latin America could become the soul of the industry,  If you like this episode do check out our previous discussion with Oskar Meijerink, SkyNRG here: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14996727-the-saf-podcast-skynrg-s-journey-from-procurement-to-production.mp3?download=trueHost and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor

On this week's episode you get not one, but two Oscars as Oskar Meijerink, SkyNRG  to discuss the transition from procurement to production with Oscar on The SAF Podcast. Oskar has been with SkyNRG since he left university where he wrote a dissertation on project finance for Sustainable Aviation Fuels. He has since been working on the project side, being kept busy with a HEFA project being developed in Delfzijl, Biomass Fischer-Tropsch facility in the Pacific northwest and their eSAF facility under development in Amsterdam. Oskar shares the progress of each location, why they are working across pathways, the process of choosing where to place SAF refineries and what feedstocks to use. All of these decisions are critical if projects are to get to Final Investment Decision. This is something we explore in detail as we explore the challenges of finding investment and what building blocks need to be put in place to best position projects to receive favourable investment decisions. We also touch on the recent Topco investment by Macquarie Asset Management and how encouraging this is for inevestor sentiment on the companies overall strategy.We end the episode by reflecting on the demand side of the market and how SkyNRG's history in this with their Fly on SAF solution and how critical a component understanding of market demand is when considering SAF production.  Having already helped over 40 airlines reach sustainability goals, as well as corporate customers, travel companies and airline customers decarbonise their air travel, Oskar highlights why the understanding of the demand environment drove them towards getting involved on the supply side. This is a fantastic episode that gets into the real detail of building SAF projects and the opportunities and challenges that they present. If you liked this episode, listen to our recent podcast with Mihir Dange, XCF Global Capital and Wray Thorn, Focus Impact Partners, to find out what the investor and producer dynamic is like in the everyday https://www.buzzsprout.com/2202964/14904940Host and Producer: Oscar Henderson, SAF Investor