Episode 4 Show Notes: Back in the late 80s/early 90s, my buddy JJ and myself used to spend a crazy amount of time together at club gigs, in the record store and most importantly, in each other’s kitchen throwing rock n roll philosophy at each other. It’s something we’ve kept up for over thirty years and so it continues except now, we're recording them. In episode four, we dig into what it takes to move up the ladder as an emerging artist or band by throwing around some of the things we’ve learned, some of the things we’ve seen and more importantly perhaps, some things that we haven’t seen and should have. As always, it’s more food for thought than concrete answers but you know what… I think that’s OK. That’s the way it should be. If you’re into what we’re doing, you can support the podcast by ‘buying me a coffee’ at www.buymeacoffee.com/sionsmith Follow me on instagram.com/mrsionsmith Follow me on twitter.com/mrsionsmith You can find JJ at twitter.com/jjkrazy The show is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Anchor, Google Podcasts and just about every other podcast host you care to use, so you can help us out by subscribing and even more so by nudging a friend in that direction. It would mean a lot. And if you’re looking for that YouTube video link I mentioned at the end of the show, you can find that right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhitq-pqlNA&t=250s