The Family Business Podcast

Russ Haworth

The podcast dedicated to Family Business. Working with your family can be both rewarding and challenging and this podcast provides you with practical tips and guidance on how to tackle some of these challenges. Check out the series on Governance, Succession, Family Dynamics and Family Business Theory. Each week we will explore the uniqueness of family businesses and provide you with the tools to help your business thrive. read less
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Wealth of Wisdom
23-02-2024
Wealth of Wisdom
SummaryIn this episode of the Family Business podcast, Tom McCullough and Keith Whitaker discuss their book, The Wealth of Wisdom. They share their backgrounds and how they came to collaborate on the book. The second version of the book focuses on providing practical tools and exercises for families to enhance their communication and address important topics. One chapter highlights a family self-assessment tool that helps families evaluate their situation and identify areas for improvement. Another chapter introduces a three-step process for enhanced communication, which can be used by couples or siblings to address differences and find common ground. The book is accessible to multiple generations and encourages open dialogue within families. The conversation explores the themes and family discussions, the power of framing issues, generational collaboration in philanthropy, intergenerational dialogue, and the simplicity of tools for productive conversations. TakeawaysThe Wealth of Wisdom provides practical tools and exercises for families to enhance their communication and address important topics.The book includes a family self-assessment tool that helps families evaluate their situation and identify areas for improvement.A three-step process for enhanced communication is introduced, which can be used by couples or siblings to address differences and find common ground.The book is accessible to multiple generations and encourages open dialogue within families.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Background09:19 Collaboration on the Book16:46 Approach to the Second Book27:14 Chapter on Family Self-Assessment Tool37:57 Chapter on Three-Step Process for Enhanced Communication46:18 Accessibility for Multiple Generations48:21 Subversive Books and Family Discussions49:22 The Power of Framing Issues50:50 Generational Collaboration in Philanthropy54:15 Intergenerational Dialogue59:31 Simplicity of Tools for Productive Conversations01:00:29 Clarification on the Books
The Importance of Storytelling
16-02-2024
The Importance of Storytelling
SummaryIn this episode, Dave Goetz and Melissa Parks discuss the importance of capturing and sharing family stories. They highlight the reasons why families choose to tell their stories, such as passing on values and creating a family culture. The guests emphasize the need for families to identify their purpose and why before embarking on a storytelling project. They also discuss different types of family stories, including founder stories and multi-generational stories. The guests explore the concept of voice in storytelling and the importance of selecting the right format for capturing the family story. They also address the challenges of navigating different versions of the same story and the rules and considerations for sharing family stories. In this conversation, Dave Goetz and Melissa Mitchell-Blitch discuss the importance of family stories and how to capture and preserve them. They emphasize the need for hope and tension in storytelling, as well as the importance of protecting identities in family stories. They also discuss the time commitment required for family story projects and the value of taking the time to do it right. They highlight the need for support from trusted advisors and professionals in the storytelling process. Overall, they emphasize the significance of capturing family stories to help future generations understand the values of the family.TakeawaysCapturing and sharing family stories is important for passing on values and creating a family culture.Families should identify their purpose and why before starting a storytelling project.Different types of family stories include founder stories and multi-generational stories.The voice of the family story depends on the chosen format and the desired tone.Considerations for sharing family stories include obtaining consent from individuals involved and being discerning about which stories to include. Family stories should have a balance of hope and tension to make them compelling.When telling family stories, it's important to protect the identities of individuals who may not want to be included.Family story projects typically require a time commitment of nine months to one year.Taking the time to properly plan and execute a family story project is crucial for creating a meaningful and impactful result.Finding the right support, such as trusted advisors and professionals, can help ensure the success of a family story project.Writing a compelling family story can be challenging, and hiring professionals with storytelling expertise can be beneficial.Trusted advisors who understand the dynamics of family relationships are essential for guiding and supporting family story projects.To get in touch with Dave and Melissa for assistance with family story projects, visit their website or email them directly.Chapters00:00 Introduction03:00 The Importance of Family Stories09:05 Reasons for Telling Family Stories12:25 Identifying the Purpose of Capturing the Family Story15:20 Different Types of Family Stories20:43 Determining the Voice of the Family Story25:22 Exploring Different Formats for Capturing the Family Story33:49 Navigating Different Versions of the Same Story41:29 Rules and Considerations for Sharing Family Stories50:53 The Purpose of Family Stories51:53 Protecting Identities in Family Stories53:01 Time Commitment for Family Story Projects54:39 Taking the Time to Do It Right56:38 The Value of Capturing Family Stories57:45 Finding the Right Support for Family Story Projects59:59 The Difficulty of Writing a Compelling Story01:02:13 The Importance of Trusted Advisors01:04:01 How to Get in Touch with Dave and Melissa
Are you ready to hire non-family execs?
09-02-2024
Are you ready to hire non-family execs?
SummaryIn this episode, Bill Stranberg discusses the readiness of family businesses to hire non-family executives. He shares his own experience growing up in a family business and highlights the distinct challenges that families face in executive recruitment. Bill emphasizes the importance of addressing the readiness of both the family and the business before making a senior executive hire. He provides case studies to illustrate the potential risks and conflicts that can arise when these factors are not considered. Bill also discusses the need for clear job descriptions and expectations to ensure a successful hiring process. This conversation explores the challenges and strategies involved in managing talent in family-owned businesses. The discussion highlights the importance of employee loyalty and the potential neglect of operational hygiene in long-term relationships. It emphasizes the need for clarity in decision-making and cultural fit when bringing in new senior executives. The conversation also addresses the concerns of legacy employees and the importance of incorporating their feedback. Finally, it emphasizes the significance of defining and living the mission, vision, and values of the business.TakeawaysAssess the readiness of both the family and the business before making a senior executive hire.Address the unique challenges that family businesses face in executive recruitment.Include all relevant stakeholders in the decision-making process and ensure clear communication.Define job responsibilities, success metrics, and compensation to align expectations and reduce the risk of a failed hire. Employee loyalty is a common trait in family-owned businesses, but it can lead to neglect of operational hygiene.Clarity in decision-making and cultural fit are crucial when bringing in new senior executives.Legacy employees may feel uncomfortable with new hires and changes in authority.Creating channels for employee feedback and addressing concerns can help mitigate conflicts.Defining and living the mission, vision, and values of the business is essential for effective talent management.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Background08:35 When Do Family Businesses Seek Support in Hiring Executives?16:24 Exploring Readiness to Bring in a Senior Executive21:21 Helping Families Explore Their Readiness32:18 Preparing the Business and the Person Being Hired43:16 The Importance of Clarity and Communication49:34 Employee Loyalty and Operational Hygiene51:22 Clarity in Decision-Making and Cultural Fit52:56 Legacy Employees and New Hires55:18 Conflict Triangle and Employee Feedback58:08 Defining Mission, Vision, and ValuesSupport the ShowThe podcast is entirely self-funded by me. I am not looking for sympathy as it is something that I love to do and I have a passion for providing great content for family businesses across the world. Some listeners have asked for ways in which they can support the show, be that through reviews, sharing with friends or a donation. As such I have set up a page that outlines all the ways that you can support what I am doing. www.fambizpodcast.com/support Work With Russ If what I have spoken about in the show resonates and you want to discuss how I can help you and your family business drop me an email: russ@familybusinesspartnership.com or head over to www.familybusinesspartnership.com Sign up to the Newsletter You can get podcasts, videos and blogs...
Selling the Family Business Pt 2
05-02-2024
Selling the Family Business Pt 2
SummaryIn this two part episode, the guests discuss the considerations and communication strategies involved in a family business deciding to sell their business. They emphasize the importance of open and proactive communication within the family system, as well as with external shareholders and the C-suite. The guests also highlight the significance of early planning for the post-sale phase, including identifying purpose and impact beyond the business. They stress the need to address potential regrets and ensure a smooth transition to life after the sale. This conversation explores various aspects of transitioning from a family business to a family office. The speakers discuss the importance of understanding one's skills and talents and how they can translate into new domains. They emphasize the need for careful planning and decision-making, as well as the potential challenges of sudden wealth. The speakers also highlight the value of collaboration and a holistic approach, considering both individual and collective philanthropy. They stress the significance of exploring purpose and impact beyond the sale of the business and the importance of capturing family stories and history.TakeawaysOpen and proactive communication is crucial within the family system and with external stakeholders during the decision-making process and after the sale.Early planning for the post-sale phase, including identifying purpose and impact beyond the business, is essential.Considerations for each group of stakeholders, such as family members who own the business but don't work in it, should be taken into account.Avoiding regret of selling the business involves understanding personal goals and needs, planning for the day after the sale, and addressing emotional and financial aspects.Preparing for life after the sale includes exploring new opportunities, seeking professional advice, and maintaining open-mindedness. Understand your skills and talents and how they can translate into new domains.Take time to plan and make wise decisions, avoiding impulsive actions.Consider the merits of earnouts as part of a transition.Explore individual and collective philanthropy, finding the right balance.Start early with transition planning and engage in open and honest family conversations.Blend for-profit and non-profit activities to create a unified approach.Capture family stories and history to preserve legacy and values.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions04:03 Considerations in Family Discussions Leading to the Decision to Sell08:24 The Role of Philanthropy and Impact in the Sale Process11:16 Importance of Communication within the Family System17:36 Effective Communication with External Shareholders and C-Suite21:52 Considerations for Each Group of Stakeholders27:29 Effective Communication Internally and Externally36:39 Avoiding Regret of Selling the Business42:21 Preparing for Life After the Sale52:56 Understanding Skills and Talents55:31 Transitioning to a Family Office56:24 Managing Sudden Wealth57:18 Taking Time to Plan58:41 Dealing with External Pressure59:30 Hiring the Right Expertise01:00:02 Avoiding Impulsive Decisions01:01:24 The Merits of Earnouts01:04:01 Exploring What's Next01:05:02 Collaboration and Holistic Approach01:08:38 Discovering Purpose and Impact01:11:15 Balancing Individual and Collective Philanthropy01:19:36 Transitioning Identity and Purpose01:23:22 Exploring Family Dynamics01:29:11 Start Early with Transition Planning01:32:05 Blending For-Profit and Non-Profit01:35:29 The Power of Storytelling and Family History
Selling the Family Business Pt.1
02-02-2024
Selling the Family Business Pt.1
SummaryIn this two part episode, the guests discuss the considerations and communication strategies involved in a family business deciding to sell their business. They emphasize the importance of open and proactive communication within the family system, as well as with external shareholders and the C-suite. The guests also¶. They stress the need to address potential regrets and ensure a smooth transition to life after the sale. This conversation explores various aspects of transitioning from a family business to a family office. The speakers discuss the importance of understanding one's skills and talents and how they can translate into new domains. They emphasize the need for careful planning and decision-making, as well as the potential challenges of sudden wealth. The speakers also highlight the value of collaboration and a holistic approach, considering both individual and collective philanthropy. They stress the significance of exploring purpose and impact beyond the sale of the business and the importance of capturing family stories and history.TakeawaysOpen and proactive communication is crucial within the family system and with external stakeholders during the decision-making process and after the sale.Early planning for the post-sale phase, including identifying purpose and impact beyond the business, is essential.Considerations for each group of stakeholders, such as family members who own the business but don't work in it, should be taken into account.Avoiding regret of selling the business involves understanding personal goals and needs, planning for the day after the sale, and addressing emotional and financial aspects.Preparing for life after the sale includes exploring new opportunities, seeking professional advice, and maintaining open-mindedness. Understand your skills and talents and how they can translate into new domains.Take time to plan and make wise decisions, avoiding impulsive actions.Consider the merits of earnouts as part of a transition.Explore individual and collective philanthropy, finding the right balance.Start early with transition planning and engage in open and honest family conversations.Blend for-profit and non-profit activities to create a unified approach.Capture family stories and history to preserve legacy and values.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Introductions04:03 Considerations in Family Discussions Leading to the Decision to Sell08:24 The Role of Philanthropy and Impact in the Sale Process11:16 Importance of Communication within the Family System17:36 Effective Communication with External Shareholders and C-Suite21:52 Considerations for Each Group of Stakeholders27:29 Effective Communication Internally and Externally36:39 Avoiding Regret of Selling the Business42:21 Preparing for Life After the Sale52:56 Understanding Skills and Talents55:31 Transitioning to a Family Office56:24 Managing Sudden Wealth57:18 Taking Time to Plan58:41 Dealing with External Pressure59:30 Hiring the Right Expertise01:00:02 Avoiding Impulsive Decisions01:01:24 The Merits of Earnouts01:04:01 Exploring What's Next01:05:02 Collaboration and Holistic Approach01:08:38 Discovering Purpose and Impact01:11:15 Balancing Individual and Collective Philanthropy01:19:36 Transitioning Identity and Purpose01:23:22 Exploring Family Dynamics01:29:11 Start Early with Transition Planning01:32:05 Blending For-Profit and Non-Profit01:35:29 The Power of Storytelling and Family HistorySupport the ShowThe podcast is entirely self-funded by me. I am not looking for sympathy as it is something that I love to do and I have a passion for providing great content for family businesses across the world. Some...
Family Business UK
26-01-2024
Family Business UK
SummaryIn this episode, Fiona Graham discusses the rebranding of Family Business UK and their focus on advocacy and policy. She highlights the key areas in their 2024 manifesto and the importance of long-term planning for family businesses. Fiona also shares insights from Family Business Week and previews the upcoming annual conference, which will focus on people and the challenges faced by family businesses. In this conversation, Russ and Fiona discuss the importance of family businesses and the challenges they face. They delve into topics such as succession planning, governance, communication, and collaboration. They also highlight the need for support and resources for family businesses. The conversation concludes with a call to action for listeners to get involved and learn more about Family Business UK.TakeawaysFamily Business UK has rebranded to become a movement for family businesses, focusing on advocacy and policy.Their 2024 manifesto highlights key areas such as people, growth, and ownership, with a focus on long-term planning and support for family businesses.Family Business Week celebrates the achievements and future leaders of family businesses, emphasizing the importance of peer networks and mentorship.The upcoming annual conference will explore the challenges faced by family businesses, including people issues, skill development, and non-family involvement. Family businesses play a vital role in the economy and society.Succession planning and governance are crucial for the long-term success of family businesses.Effective communication and collaboration within the family and the business are essential.Family businesses need support and resources to overcome challenges and thrive.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Rebranding03:03 Focusing on Advocacy and Policy08:26 The 2024 Manifesto10:17 Key Areas in the Manifesto19:10 Budget and Election Year28:49 Highlights of Family Business Week34:19 Upcoming Annual Conference02:00 The Importance of Family Businesses10:00 Challenges Faced by Family Businesses20:00 Succession Planning and Governance30:00 The Role of Communication and Collaboration40:00 Supporting Family Businesses47:00 Conclusion and Call to ActionSupport the ShowThe podcast is entirely self-funded by me. I am not looking for sympathy as it is something that I love to do and I have a passion for providing great content for family businesses across the world. Some listeners have asked for ways in which they can support the show, be that through reviews, sharing with friends or a donation. As such I have set up a page that outlines all the ways that you can support what I am doing. www.fambizpodcast.com/support Work With Russ If what I have spoken about in the show resonates and you want to discuss how I can help you and your family business drop me an email: russ@familybusinesspartnership.com or head over to www.familybusinesspartnership.com Sign up to the Newsletter You can get podcasts, videos and blogs delivered directly to your inbox by signing up to the newsletter. Head over to www.fambizpodcast.com and sign up now
Wealth 3.0 - with The Ultra High Net Worth Institute
11-09-2023
Wealth 3.0 - with The Ultra High Net Worth Institute
Regular listeners of the show will be familiar with all of my guests on this weeks show. I am joined by Jim Grubman, Denis Jaffe and Kristin Keffeler as they discuss their new book - Wealth 3.0 - The Future of Family Wealth Advising. In this episode we cover some of the key areas of focus within the book and what it means for families of wealth and in particular those that advise them. This episode is a special collaborative episode with The Ultra High Net Worth Institute in preparation for the launch of their very own podcast later this year. I will keep you all updated on that as and when we approach release date. If you are unfamiliar with the the work that the Institute does I highly recommend that you check out their website: https://www.uhnwinstitute.org/All four of the speakers on the show are involved in the Institute and we are all very strong advocates for the thought leadership that comes from the Institute, the events that they run and the opportunity for individuals or firms across the globe to contribute to the future of wealth advising for UHNW families. Support the ShowThe podcast is entirely self-funded by me. I am not looking for sympathy as it is something that I love to do and I have a passion for providing great content for family businesses across the world. Some listeners have asked for ways in which they can support the show, be that through reviews, sharing with friends or a donation. As such I have set up a page that outlines all the ways that you can support what I am doing. www.fambizpodcast.com/support Work With Russ If what I have spoken about in the show resonates and you want to discuss how I can help you and your family business drop me an email: russ@familybusinesspartnership.com or head over to www.familybusinesspartnership.com Sign up to the Newsletter You can get podcasts, videos and blogs delivered directly to your inbox by signing up to the newsletter. Head over to www.fambizpodcast.com and sign up now
Right Mindfulness and Concentration - The Mindful Family Business
19-06-2023
Right Mindfulness and Concentration - The Mindful Family Business
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHSThe First Noble Truth: be aware that life brings with it many forms of dissatisfaction, frustration, irritation, and many levels of suffering.The Second Noble Truth: recognise that these different types of suffering are produced by your mind, even if the apparent cause is external. The mind reacts negatively to life experiences that we didn’t want, and does the same when we don’t get things we were hoping for. The Buddha called these wants and dislikes “thirsts”. It is thirsts that cause unhappy states of mind.The Third Noble Truth: we can learn to cultivate skills that stop our thirsts and thus end our various forms of suffering.The Fourth Noble Truth: to cultivate these skills we have to follow a path that contains eight components, as follows.Right Mindfulness: mindfulness is a three-pronged skill with regards to our state or frame of mind. Notice. Pause. Change. Although taught around the world today mindfulness is often misunderstood by its teachers and therefore also by its students, so it is important to learn mindfulness the way it was originally taught, that is, within the wider context we are summarising here. One could say that Right Mindfulness is the development of the ability to notice unhealthy thoughts and feelings, then shift the mind away from these to much wiser ones.Right Concentration or Focus: if mindfulness is taking the mind away from unhelpful states, then Right Concentration or Focus is its partner. We try to develop the ability to keep our mind on positive or useful states of mind or where we want our mind to be, rather than constantly being distracted, say by emails, passing moods, daydreams, etc. To find out more about our unique programme and how it can help you and your family business, please follow this link and download our brochure. Alternatively, you can email us Russ@familybusinesspartnership.comCopyright 2024 Russ Haworth and Martin Stepek
Right Effort - The Mindful Family Business
16-06-2023
Right Effort - The Mindful Family Business
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHSThe First Noble Truth: be aware that life brings with it many forms of dissatisfaction, frustration, irritation, and many levels of suffering.The Second Noble Truth: recognise that these different types of suffering are produced by your mind, even if the apparent cause is external. The mind reacts negatively to life experiences that we didn’t want, and does the same when we don’t get things we were hoping for. The Buddha called these wants and dislikes “thirsts”. It is thirsts that cause unhappy states of mind.The Third Noble Truth: we can learn to cultivate skills that stop our thirsts and thus end our various forms of suffering.The Fourth Noble Truth: to cultivate these skills we have to follow a path that contains eight components, as follows.THE EIGHTFOLD PATHAs with the word Noble above, the Eightfold Path uses a word that needs a little clarification. Each of the eight paths starts with the word Right. In this case it does not mean right as opposed to immoral, so it is not judgemental. Nor does it mean correct as opposed to wrong. It is best thought of as skilful or wise.The four previous “paths”, covered in previous episodes, relate directly to how we live our lives - our thoughts and feelings, our communication with others, our decisions, and our working life. The next three are the methods or disciplines to use to ensure we do in fact learn to manage our wayward minds.Right Effort: changing our volatile, conditioned mind doesn’t happen overnight. It took us our entire lifetime to date to become who we are today, so reversing and changing our mindset takes time. Therefore we need to work at it with effort. Again, the word right means skilful. Skilful effort means we don;’t slacken off or lapse, but nor do we exhaust ourselves in too zealous an effort.To find out more about our unique programme and how it can help you and your family business, please follow this link and download our brochure. Alternatively, you can email us Russ@familybusinesspartnership.comCopyright 2024 Russ Haworth and Martin Stepek
Right Livelihood - The Mindful Family Business
12-06-2023
Right Livelihood - The Mindful Family Business
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHSThe First Noble Truth: be aware that life brings with it many forms of dissatisfaction, frustration, irritation, and many levels of suffering.The Second Noble Truth: recognise that these different types of suffering are produced by your mind, even if the apparent cause is external. The mind reacts negatively to life experiences that we didn’t want, and does the same when we don’t get things we were hoping for. The Buddha called these wants and dislikes “thirsts”. It is thirsts that cause unhappy states of mind.The Third Noble Truth: we can learn to cultivate skills that stop our thirsts and thus end our various forms of suffering.The Fourth Noble Truth: to cultivate these skills we have to follow a path that contains eight components, as follows.THE EIGHTFOLD PATHAs with the word Noble above, the Eightfold Path uses a word that needs a little clarification. Each of the eight paths starts with the word Right. In this case it does not mean right as opposed to immoral, so it is not judgemental. Nor does it mean correct as opposed to wrong. It is best thought of as skilful or wise.Right Livelihood: this always astonishes me. 2500 years ago the Buddha was directly teaching rulers, employers, and employees how to work wisely. In particular he advised against doing work or careers which are inherently cruel or destructive, and if a person has no choice then they should make some amends by doing good in their spare time. This is what in recent years is now called CSR and ESG and “purpose-driven” but the Buddha taught it millennia ago and had a much stricter perspective than we have today.To find out more about our unique programme and how it can help you and your family business, please follow this link and download our brochure. Alternatively, you can email us Russ@familybusinesspartnership.comCopyright 2024 Russ Haworth and Martin Stepek
Right Actions and Activities - The Mindful Family Business
09-06-2023
Right Actions and Activities - The Mindful Family Business
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHSThe First Noble Truth: be aware that life brings with it many forms of dissatisfaction, frustration, irritation, and many levels of suffering.The Second Noble Truth: recognise that these different types of suffering are produced by your mind, even if the apparent cause is external. The mind reacts negatively to life experiences that we didn’t want, and does the same when we don’t get things we were hoping for. The Buddha called these wants and dislikes “thirsts”. It is thirsts that cause unhappy states of mind.The Third Noble Truth: we can learn to cultivate skills that stop our thirsts and thus end our various forms of suffering.The Fourth Noble Truth: to cultivate these skills we have to follow a path that contains eight components, as follows.THE EIGHTFOLD PATHAs with the word Noble above, the Eightfold Path uses a word that needs a little clarification. Each of the eight paths starts with the word Right. In this case it does not mean right as opposed to immoral, so it is not judgemental. Nor does it mean correct as opposed to wrong. It is best thought of as skilful or wise.Right Actions: what we do should be skilful, positive, kindly, and considerate of all involved.To find out more about our unique programme and how it can help you and your family business, please follow this link and download our brochure. Alternatively, you can email us Russ@familybusinesspartnership.comCopyright 2024 Russ Haworth and Martin Stepek
Right Speech or Communication - The Mindful Family Business
05-06-2023
Right Speech or Communication - The Mindful Family Business
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHSThe First Noble Truth: be aware that life brings with it many forms of dissatisfaction, frustration, irritation, and many levels of suffering.The Second Noble Truth: recognise that these different types of suffering are produced by your mind, even if the apparent cause is external. The mind reacts negatively to life experiences that we didn’t want, and does the same when we don’t get things we were hoping for. The Buddha called these wants and dislikes “thirsts”. It is thirsts that cause unhappy states of mind.The Third Noble Truth: we can learn to cultivate skills that stop our thirsts and thus end our various forms of suffering.The Fourth Noble Truth: to cultivate these skills we have to follow a path that contains eight components, as follows.THE EIGHTFOLD PATHAs with the word Noble above, the Eightfold Path uses a word that needs a little clarification. Each of the eight paths starts with the word Right. In this case it does not mean right as opposed to immoral, so it is not judgemental. Nor does it mean correct as opposed to wrong. It is best thought of as skilful or wise.Right Speech or Communications: we not only have to control and skilfully manage our thoughts and our intentions or goals; we also have to ensure that when we communicate these - whether by voice, email, on social media, or even body language - our words and gestures too are thoughtful, wise, and as constructive as possible.To find out more about our unique programme and how it can help you and your family business, please follow this link and download our brochure. Alternatively, you can email us Russ@familybusinesspartnership.comCopyright 2024 Russ Haworth and Martin Stepek