Our first interview is with James Plunkett, author of End State (one of the Guardian’s political books of the year). In his book James explores nine big social problems and nine radical ways to put things right but what he says he’s really interested in are the projects these ideas are a part of: how do we upgrade the state so it’s capable of governing a 21st Century economy?

SHOW NOTES

00:00 Intro

00:46 The meeting with Gordon Brown and Tim Berners-Lee that inspired the book

02:35 Industrial Revolution vs the Digital revolution

07:53 Why policymaking needs to become more agile

10:20 Why the politics of 2050 are rooted in ideas that are with us now

13:10 Is UBI a crazy idea that's destined to become common sense?

17:59 Did government become more agile in response to the pandemic?

19:01 Is a crisis a terrible thing to waste?

21:15 Why the most radical new ideas are neither ‘left’ nor ‘right’

25:42 How do public servants take advantage of flux and uncertainty?

34:11 How Citizen’s Advice designs for compassion

Follow James on Twitter at @jamestplunkett

Read his blog at https://endstate.substack.com/

Buy End State: https://www.hachette.co.uk/titles/james-plunkett/end-state/9781398702202/

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