This is a soundbite from the forthcoming episode with Jenna Omeltschenko, Touring Partnership Manager at the National Theatre. The full interview will be on the next episode coming soon. The context for this clip is my question to Jenna about something that I've found quite common - a perception (often whispered quietly) that working in theatre education, or outreach and participation work is "less than" the "real" shows. It prompted such an impassioned response that it felt right to share it in its entirety. As with all episodes of the Humanish podcast, a whole transcript is available at the website: www.thehumanish.co.uk Music: "Elemental" by Dlay. Creative Commons: CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 freemusicarchive.org/music/Dlay