VYS0030 | To Believe or Not to Believe - Vayse to Face with Emily Louise - Show Notes Possibly the weirdest thing that Vayse could do at this point is to interview someone who doesn't believe in any of this phenomena at all, someone whose no-nonsense approach to searching for the actual facts behind well-known events in fringe history and UFOlogy has earned her Youtube channel tens of thousands of subscribers - it's British documentary maker and researcher Emily Louise. Hine and Buckley find an unexpected amount of common ground with Emily as they discuss her journey from wide-eyed belief to pragmatic scepticism, what it is that makes human beings sometimes believe ideas that are provably untrue, which famous conspiracy theories Emily thinks probably do have truth to them and Vayse finally tackles (with the help of a hardened sceptic) the recent David Grusch revelations... (Recorded 17 August 2023) Thanks to Emily for putting up with our weird shit and thanks as always to Keith for the show notes. Emily Louise - Links Emily on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Weirdreadsemily) Emily on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/weirdreadsemilylouise/) Emily on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@WeirdReadswithEmilyLouise) Emily’s Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/weirdreadsemilylouise) Emily’s Ko-Fi (https://ko-fi.com/weirdreadsemilylouise) Introduction - links Lovecraftian horror - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovecraftian_horror) H.P. Lovecraft - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft) Purple prose - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_prose) Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory) Paranoia - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia) Ufology - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufology) High Strangeness And Understanding It - Global Bizarre article (https://globalbizarre.com/high-strangeness/) ( ) ‘High Strangeness’ and anomalous phenomena - UAP Media article (https://www.uapmedia.uk/articles/highstrangeness) High Strangeness and Metaphysics - Medium article (https://jannetikkanen140.medium.com/high-strangeness-and-metaphysics-f34b5627c3f8) Bullshit - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit) Signal to noise ratio - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio) Hoax - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax) The true story of the fake unboxed aliens is wilder than actual aliens - Vox article (https://www.vox.com/culture/23875671/aliens-mexican-congress-real-or-hoax-peru-nazca-mummies-jaime-maussan-fraud-scam) Skepticism - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism) Urban legend - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_legend) Luiz Elizondo and Related Links Luiz Elizondo - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo) Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Aerospace_Threat_Identification_Program) To the Stars (company) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_the_Stars_(company)) Tom DeLonge - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_DeLonge) The Montauk Project and related links Montauk Project - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project) Montauk Air Force Station - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Air_Force_Station) The Montauk Project : The REAL Story Behind Netflix's Stranger Things - Weird Reads with Emily Louise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PhXy-SMhLk) Stranger Things - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_Things) The Montauk Project: Experiments in Time (book) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Montauk_Project%3A_Experiments_in_Time) The Montauk Project: Experiments in Time (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9780963188908/Montauk-Project-Experiments-Time-Experiment-0963188909/plp) by Preston B Nichols and Peter Moon MKUltra - links MKUltra - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra) List of 149 MKULTRA Subprojects - Illuminati Rex website (https://www.illuminatirex.com/list-of-mkultra-subprojects/) Operation Midnight Climax: The Sub-Project of MKUltra You Didn’t Know About - Grunge article (https://www.grunge.com/622346/operation-midnight-climax-the-sub-project-of-mkultra-you-didnt-know-about/) Alternative 3 - Links Alternative 3 - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_3) ALTERNATIVE 3 (1977) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YHrCAQ1Dlg) Alternative 3: How a Hoax Documentary Created a Conspiracy Cult - Weird Reads with Emily Louise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLgsYrHADIw) Emily’s background - related links Screenwriter - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screenwriter) Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory) The X-Files - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files) Horror film - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_film) Post-9/11 - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-9/11) Extraterrestrial life - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life) List of cryptids - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cryptids) Unidentified flying object - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_flying_object) Unidentified aerial annoyance: Full disclosure or dubious UFO nonsense? - Space article (https://www.space.com/unidentified-aerial-annoyance-disclosure-or-nonsense) UFO DISINFO: Four times the US military hoaxed alien contact through the decades - Daily Grail article (https://www.dailygrail.com/2021/06/ufo-disinfo-four-times-the-us-military-hoaxed-alien-contact-through-the-decades/) Ex-Air Force Law Enforcement Agent (Richard Doty) Says He Hoaxed Major UFO Mythologies, Huff Post article (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/exair-force-law-enforceme_b_5312650) Majestic 12 - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12) Bob Lazar - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar) Roswell incident - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident) Emily’s switch from believer to sceptic - Links Mirage Men (documentary film) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage_Men) Mark Pilkington (writer) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Pilkington_(writer)) Private investigator - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_investigator) Dogma - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma) Alien abduction - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abduction) List of urban legends (Modern folklore) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_legends) Religious experience - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_experience) Ufology - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufology) David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims) Lie - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie) US congressional hearings on UFOs - Links UFO hearing key takeaways: cover-up claims and Pentagon denials - Guardian article (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/26/ufo-hearing-update-congress-whistleblower) Who is Ryan Graves? - Yahoo News article (https://news.yahoo.com/ryan-graves-former-navy-pilot-182125964.html) Pentagon UFO videos - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos) Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez) George Knapp - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Knapp_(television_journalist)) David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims) News Nation - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewsNation) News Nation - YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@NewsNation/videos) The forgotten UFO wave of the 1980s - Nexus article (https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/unexplained/the-forgotten-ufo-wave-of-the-1980s/) Paul Bennewitz - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bennewitz) Majestic 12 - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12) UFO Crash Retrievals — The Story, The Cover-up, and the Road to Disclosure, UFO Studies substack article (https://ufostudies.substack.com/p/ufo-crash-retrievals-the-story-the) Roswell incident - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident) Bill Moore (ufologist) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Moore_(ufologist)) Stanton Freidman - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_T._Friedman) What are UAPs, and why do UFOs have a new name? - CBS News article (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-are-uaps-unexplained-aerial-phenomenon-ufos-new-name/) What are ‘Non-human biologics’? - HITC article (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/07/27/what-are-non-human-biologics-david-grusch-claims-they-were-recovered/) Diana Pasulka - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Walsh_Pasulka) The Annotated Chris Bledsoe Regression Transcript - Hathor Chronicles article (https://hathors.substack.com/p/the-chris-bledsoe-regression-transcript) What in the World Happened to Anjali Schultz? - Whitley Strieber YT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TotrAXSIVrk) Fear of ‘alien’ invasion in 2027 as John Ramirez claims ‘they’re showing up’ - HITC article (https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/08/04/fear-of-alien-invasion-in-2027-as-john-ramirez-claims-theyre-showing-up/) American Cosmic by Diana Pasulka - Goodreads page (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38819245-american-cosmic) American Cosmic (https://www.alibris.com/American-Cosmic-Ufos-Religion-Technology-D-W-Pasulka/book/41497494) by Diana Pasulka What do we know so far about Timothy Taylor from American Cosmic and his ongoing work with the ET presence? - Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/ml4h96/what_do_we_know_so_far_about_timothy_taylor_from/) Catholic church - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church) UFO religion - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion) QAnon - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon) John Lear - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lear) Milton William Cooper - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper) Guy Ballard (I AM Activity) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Ballard) Christopher Mellon, UFO/UAP work - Wikipedia section (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Mellon#UFO/UAP_work) Ross Coulthart - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Coulthart) Jeremy Corbell - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbell) Disinformation - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation) News Nation - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewsNation) Cattle mutilation - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation) Linda Moulton Howe - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Moulton_Howe) VYS0024 | Between Being Real and Not Real - Vayse to Face with Nathan Paul Isaac (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0024) Scientist Howard Burgess talks about cattle being marked by UFO before mutilation, Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/xshgka/scientist_howard_burgess_talks_about_cattle_being/) An Open Letter to the UFO Community, by Sean Cahill - Medium article (https://medium.com/@sean.cahill/an-open-letter-to-the-ufo-community-e003b75b83fc) The Intercept - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intercept) Counter-terrorism - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterterrorism) Why are conspiracy theory topics so popular? - Related Links Dulce Base - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_Base) Dulce : The Origins of an ALIEN Conspiracy (PART ONE) - Weird Reads with Emily Louise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hATm_9f8_LY&t=11s) Dulce : The Origins of an ALIEN Conspiracy (PART TWO) - Weird Reads with Emily Louise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOFRIpqLR2c) Central Intelligence Agency - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) Brainwashing - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing) Supersoldier - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersoldier) MKUltra - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra) First Earth battalion - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Earth_Battalion) Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment) Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory) 9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories) VYS0025 | Truth with a Capital "T" - Vayse to Face with Sequoyah Kennedy (https://www.vayse.co.uk/vys0025) The Allegory of the Cave (Plato's Cave) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave) Post-truth - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-truth) Fake news - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news) Donald Trump - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump) Boris Johnson - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson) Deepfake - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepfake) Reality Television - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_television) Capitalism - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism) Does truth exist? - Oxplore article (https://oxplore.org/question-detail/does-truth-exist#1082) Universality (philosophy) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_(philosophy)) New World Order (conspiracy theory) - Illuminati - Wikipedia section (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)#Illuminati) Fringe theory - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_theory) Hillary Clinton - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton) Basket of deplorables - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_of_deplorables) Antisemitism - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism) Far-right politics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics) QAnon - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon) Cult - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult) Alex Jones - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones) David Icke - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke) Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John_F._Kennedy) Emily’s weird experiences - related links Unidentified flying object - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_flying_object) Area 51 - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51) Ghost - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost) Stargate Project - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project) Remote viewing - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing) Occult - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult) The Human Element - Related Links Psychology - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) 10 Supposed Secret Space Programs - Listverse article (https://listverse.com/2018/04/30/10-supposed-secret-space-programs/) Alternative 3: How a Hoax Documentary Created a Conspiracy Cult - Weird Reads with Emily Louise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLgsYrHADIw) Alternate Reality Game (ARG) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game) Consequences, empathy, and changing minds - related links Corey Goode - website (https://coreygoode.com/) David Willcox - website (https://divinecosmos.com/) Mirage Men (documentary film) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage_Men) Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs (https://uk.bookshop.org/search?keywords=mirage+men) by Mark Pilkington Mark Pilkington (writer) - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Pilkington_(writer)) Debunker - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debunker) The Cult of I AM: The WILD Story of Guy and Edna Ballard's New Age Religious Movement - Weird reads with Emily Louise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsKt4edO98w) Rabbit holes - related links Women in the Paranormal - Unexplained Mysteries article (https://www.unexplained- mysteries.com/forum/blogs/entry/31358-women-in-the-paranormal/) Mick West - Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_West) Is women's interest in people over things biological or cultural?, Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/lcnxph/is_womens_interest_in_people_over_things/) - beware anyone telling you anything on this subject Emily’s recommendations - links Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs (https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/mirage-men-a-journey-into-disinformation-paranoia-and-ufos-mark-pilkington/2148784?ean=9781845298579) by Mark Pilkington The Greys Have Been Framed by Jack Brewer - Goodreads page (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28267610-the-greys-have-been-framed) The Greys Have Been Framed (https://www.alibris.com/The-Greys-Have-Been-Framed-Exploitation-in-the-UFO-Community-Jack-Brewer/book/33525461) by Jack Brewer Saucers, Spooks, and Kooks by Adam Gorightly - Goodreads page (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/57179933-saucers-spooks-and-kooks) Saucers, Spooks, and Kooks (https://www.alibris.com/Saucers-Spooks-and-Kooks-UFO-Disinformation-in-the-Age-of-Aquarius-Adam-Gorightly/book/49287785) by Adam Gorightly Getting Spooked substack - by Tanner F. Boyle (https://tannerfboyle.substack.com/) Expanding Frontiers - YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/@EricaLukes) The Controllers by Martin Cannon - Goodreads page (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3484488-the-controllers) The Controllers: Mind Control and Project MK-ULTRA - Modern Myth, Mass Manipulation, and a New Hypothesis of Abductions (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781539780199/Controllers-Mind-Control-Project-MK-ULTRA-1539780198/plp) Truth Seekers - YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/truthseekershow) Vayse - Links Vayse website (https://www.youtube.com/c/truthseekershow) Vayse on Twitter (https://twitter.com/vayseesyav) Vayse on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/vayseesyav/) Music From Vayse - Volume 1 by Polypores (https://vayse.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-vayse-volume-1) Vayse on Ko-Fi (https://ko-fi.com/vayse#checkoutModal) Vayse email: vayseinfo@gmail.com Special Guest: Emily Louise.