In this episode, conference director Matthew Biberman talks with the celebrated feminist poet Brenda Hillman, who read at the LCLC in February 2022 as the creative keynote for its 49th annual conference. Brenda Hillman teaches at Saint Mary College of California. She is the Poetry Director of Community of Writers as well as Chancellor emerita of The Academy of American Poets and has authored 11 books of poetry (all from Wesleyan University Press). She has edited or translated (either alone or as part of a team) over 20 books. Her next collection of poetry is titled IN A FEW MINUTES BEFORE LATER. This episode will be of special interest to fans of contemporary poetry and poetics (with extended discussion of C. D. Wright, Joni Mitchell, Tom Sleigh and William Shakespeare's Tempest).