Church of England revs with a difference Thomas Pelham and Jamie Franklin sit down to talk about the big stories in church and state. This time:

• Rosie Duffield's excoriating resignation letter crushing Starmer with brutal rhetoric.
• Our thoughts on the Tory leadership contest as Badenoch says not all cultures are equally valid.
• Russell Brand baptises in tight white underpants.
• And listener emails on the Pope's universalism and "hetero communion".

All that and a little bit more as ever.
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Links:
Rosie Duffield Resignation: https://x.com/thetimes/status/1840072687848247802?t=tk2R7dMGNBuamp9d2liu4w&s=19
Badenoch, “Not all cultures are equally valid”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw8KBk7lHms
Brand baptises in tight undies: https://x.com/rustyrockets/status/1840772118130094332
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