How do we get growth back in the UK economy? Why do we need social challenges to interact with innovation challenges? Does the consulting industry infantilise our Government? Join Steph and Robert as they interview economist Mariana Mazzucato in this episode of The Rest is Money. Email: restismoney@gmail.com X: @TheRestIsMoney Instagram: @TheRestIsMoney TikTok: @RestIsMoney goalhangerpodcasts.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices